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Flash Forward was actually excellent tonight.

Ok, all the waaangst with Olivia and Mark was worth it for that scene where Lloyd comes to the house, and recognizes it, and realizes it is Olivia's house, and Olivia and Mark and Lloyd all just look at each other, obviously realizing the significance of it all. Damn, that was a well-played scene, and a really good payoff for a number of episodes of really boring setup.

I also liked the end scene with Mark and Olivia, where they're both mad at each other for keeping secrets, and Mark finally tells the truth about his flashforward. For the first time, I actually started to give a damn about their relationship (just when it looks like it's breaking up, of course).

It was also great to get the kids' flash forwards--now it suddenly makes sense how Lloyd's son knew Olivia's name, and all the rest of it. I think part of the reason this episode was satisfying to me is we got so many revelations: of personal secrets, of flash forwards we hadn't seen yet, and, OH YEAH, about what caused the flash forwards themselves. All a physics experiment? That killed 20 million people? DAMN. And could Dominic Monaghan's character have BEEN any creepier?

I was also very, very happy that Janis lived, and I thought Demetri's line of investigation was fascinating. Interesting, too, that suspicions that the assassination attempt is related to the flashforward is dominating the investigation. I didn't expect Wedeck to own up to threatening the president or anything, but I thought he might be privately investigating that line of possibilities. Apparently not. I wonder if that means it is going to turn out to have been the president, in the end? Maybe that's why he's not president in the future?



And as for Supernatural--I really enjoyed it, though I had one quibble.

Quibble first: Ok, Dean could have some genetic conditions that contributed to his bad shape in old age (is sciatica genetic? I am too damn lazy to look it up), but considering that Castiel completely recreated his body last year, free of all scars (which I assume means internal scars too), and he's in relatively good shape, I don't think one year of cheeseburgers would have damaged his heart as much as was implied in the episode. It takes more than a year for that kind of damage, especially given how active his lifestyle is--so if he just aged 50 years, he still should have been in good shape. 80 year olds can be, if they exercise regularly! The eyesight and acid reflux, ok, but not the heart stuff.

Other than that, though, there were many things I loved about the episode:

1. The Bobby stuff was absolutely excellent. I especially loved every single Dean-Bobby interaction; it's interesting seeing Dean as the one trying to get someone to open up emotionally, with Bobby mainly being more stoic than the Winchesters at their worst. But of course he's feeling like his real life is over, especially with the apocalypse happening while he feels useless to stop it. So I'm not at all surprised that he would play poker with the witch. And Dean's initial reaction to that was perfect--it completely reminded me of Bobby's reaction when he found out Dean sold his soul for Sam. And speaking of that, I see that Dean's default mode of "sacrifice everything for family" is still in play, though I'm glad to see he got Bobby's years back first before playing the inevitable losing poker match.

My favorite Dean-Bobby scene, though, had to be the final one. I loved Dean convincing Bobby he couldn't do it without him, and that Bobby was the only family he and Sam had left. I also thought Bobby's response (let's get out of here before we both start growing lady parts) was hilariously in character.

2. Crotchety Old Dean was a hoot, as was Sam's response to him (Grumpy Old Men! Emperor Palpatine! HEE!!!) Actually, all of them were hilarious in that scene: the old lady from Titanic! John McCain! The housekeeper who thought Dean was too adorable trying to hit on her, "just like my grandfather"! Hee hee hee! No cheeseburgers and no sex--growing old really would be hell for Dean.

3. We got a sympathetic bad guy, for once. I liked that he never deliberately caused anyone's death, and that sometimes he even gave people a few years so they could do things like attend their granddaughter's bat mitzvah. I actually felt pretty bad for him when his girlfriend insisted on dying.

4. Hurray for poker hustler!Sam. I loved, loved, loved that he actually turns out to be a savvier poker player than either Dean or Bobby, because smart!Sam is my favorite variety of Sam. The other thing I loved about that scene, though, was the witch trying to manipulate Sam with the younger brother stuff, when it turned out that Sam and Dean were actually working together the whole time. Thematically, that's showing they've really moved forward from the shakiness they had when they first reunited, *and* Sam and Dean are working more towards being real partners, like Sam wanted. So yay show!

5. Finally, my favorite line of the episode, from when they were CDC agents, has to be: "New administration: change you can believe in."

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serenography
Oct. 30th, 2009 05:44 am (UTC)

2. Crotchety Old Dean was a hoot, as was Sam's response to him (Grumpy Old Men! Emperor Palpatine! HEE!!!) Actually, all of them were hilarious in that scene: the old lady from Titanic! John McCain! The housekeeper who thought Dean was too adorable trying to hit on her, "just like my grandfather"! Hee hee hee! No cheeseburgers and no sex--growing old really would be hell for Dean.


YES to all of this. I loved the Grumpy Old Men line especially.

I had less sympathy for the bad guy, although.. cute. :) He may have given people breaks here and there, but he was causing deaths, even if people were making their own choices to play cards with him.
It took me a while to recognize the girlfriend from her SV role as the Jor-El's assistant from the Phantom Zone. I love crossover appearances.
shardsofblu
Oct. 30th, 2009 05:56 am (UTC)
It took me a while to recognize the girlfriend from her SV role as the Jor-El's assistant from the Phantom Zone. I love crossover appearances.

lol, Raya is on SPN? The actor who played Zor-El was also on the show right?
norwich36
Oct. 30th, 2009 06:06 am (UTC)
Oh, I just meant Patrick was more sympathetic than the average SPN bad guy, not that I actually approved of his behavior or anything. Kind of odd that they didn't kill him off, though--I wonder if they're planning on bringing him back?

I couldn't figure out where I had seen that actress before--good catch!
clari_clyde
Oct. 30th, 2009 06:38 am (UTC)
Sciatica is a symptom that’s caused by something else. Considering the hell his body goes through, I’m surprised he didn’t have more. Pregnancy can cause sciatica. A friend of mine got it after she landed on her behind wrong in an otherwise ordinary skating fall. I thought that despite his heart and sciatica, he was looking really good for having aged 50 yrs.

The grandfather thing cracked me up. Oh Dean, I’d forgive you if you died young. ;-)

As for the bad guy, he was sympathetic. But the whole playing God thing does creep me out a little bit. And I thought his girlfriend dying was one of the consequences he has to face for playing God. It’s too bad he’s an episode character because you could make an entire series out of him. Hell, I love him for the same reason Dean does. :-D

Sam is a really good actor. He had me fooled — twice! I honestly thought he’d lost it all at the end. That was better than any poker game I’d ever seen in any James Bond movie.
norwich36
Oct. 30th, 2009 01:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's true that Dean abuses his body, but again, I'm assuming Castiel restored it to pristine condition at the resurrection, so Dean must have been abusing it mightily in the last year for him to be as weak as he was--or else he has really bad genes.

The bad guy isn't dead. It would be interesting to see a spinoff that was based entirely around bad guys. :-)

I figured Sam would win, but only because he's one of the main characters.
roxymissrose
Oct. 30th, 2009 07:23 am (UTC)
It took me a few to get into it, but I have to admit, it ended up being a great, great episode!
norwich36
Oct. 30th, 2009 01:18 pm (UTC)
One of the funniest this season, that's for sure.
starry_dawn
Oct. 30th, 2009 01:14 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad Lloyd also finally knows about Olivia now. I wouldn't have enjoyed it if it had remained Mark and Olivia's secret, but now that all three people know, it makes it that much more interesting. But I'm so full of Mark-hate right now, I wouldn't mind if him and Olivia actually broke up. What a douche.

Dom Monaghan's character was definitely creepy. If you're going to tell someone you saw yourself killing a dude in your flashforward, why not do it during sex? :/

Re: Supernatural and Dean being in bad shape at the age of 80 ... IDK. The Supersize Me guy ate from McDonald's for how long before the doctor warned him he was going to suffer serious repercussions if he didn't stop? I can totally believe that with the kind of life that Sam and Dean lead (eating at greasy burger joints EVERY DAY, extra bacon, pie!), Dean would develop a heart condition at 80. Just sayin'.

1. BOBBY. Kripke continues to dig the knife deeper with this storyline, but everything was handled so well. I'm not positive Dean got through to Bobby in that final scene, but if Kripke does something to him, I will cut a bitch.

2. The actor did a great job with the Dean-isms. I loved the surly "hi" he gave Sam once Sam caught on. And OMG, I can't watch the "grumpy old men" scene without cracking up.

3. I loved this dude. Seriously, give a guy an Irish accent, and I'm all but gone. And I love sympathetic villains on this show!

4. I love smart!Sam too! And I totally fell for the "Sam goes back to sacrifice his life even though Dean and Bobby tell him not to" thing. The first thing that came to mind, actually, was "Round and round the Winchesters go." And then they revealed that Dean and Bobby were in it too, and just ... I love that we're seeing some development here. \o/

5. Hee. It's always the little things. :D
norwich36
Oct. 30th, 2009 01:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm glad Lloyd knows too. Really, after that final Mark-Olivia scene, I was really divided, because a big part of me agrees with you: Mark is a jerk, and it would probably be better for Olivia if they broke up. But dude, Lloyd helped kill 20 million people! I don't see much future in *that* relationship.

My point about Dean is that I assume when Castiel resurrected him, he completely remade his body (including his arteries), so instead of 29 years of plaque development, he only has one--so if all that was added was actual age, the only thing he should be experiencing is actual age-related infirmities, and most heart disease that isn't genetic is actually environmental, not an inevitable consequence of aging (unlike declining eyesight, for example, which is caused by the lens becoming less flexible with age).
starry_dawn
Oct. 30th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
... well, he seems to regret it! (Okay, I'm reaching. But I just don't like Mark right now!)

Okay, I get what you're saying. I guess they just needed a plot point to move the story along.
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norwich36
Oct. 30th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC)
I was talking to someone about this last week (maybe starry_dawn?) and we were trying to figure out how the senator could be president when Peter Coyote was still president in his flash forward, and that's a good theory to explain that inconsistency.
rsadelle
Oct. 30th, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
I'm so in love with FlashForward. It was so good. That really was an amazing scene. Also, I loved Simon (Dom Monaghan's character) being creepy while having sex with the girl he picked up on the train. I thought The CW could take notes about how you might film part of a sex scene without it looking ridiculous.

I was underwhelmed by SPN. I liked Sam working with Dean and then winning the game, but, at the same time, I saw it coming. I did think the Bobby stuff was good.
norwich36
Nov. 3rd, 2009 03:04 am (UTC)
Yeah, Flashforward was really good last week. And I felt so bad for the girl Dominic Monaghan was having sex with! Though honestly, I wouldn't go around asking people I don't know about their flash forwards--that really seems like a recipe for trouble.

I'm just really glad they're actually exploring Bobby's disability instead of instantly healing him.
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